chapter in our history, the history of the united states, where people in large numbers stood up and said, we're going to defend a country that is doing us harm. and when you look back to the life in the camps, here again, children standing up before school and pledging allegiance to the flag, it's almost beyond comprehension. and when you consider the buildup of animosity and hatred in certain circles, and to have these men step forward, that's extraordinary. >> no, i agree, they were extraordinary men. last year -- >> they were not bruits. in ordinary life i'm certain kash, before he got into the service, was a fun-loving young fellow, like all of us. in fact, if you look over the list of those who have received medals, they're not the huge bruitish looking men. they usually look angelic. >> well, in fact, i've known the kashino family for 30 years. and i knew bevera's father. i didn't know that side of him until i did this research. you're right, he was a very gentle man. >> however, he did get his fair amount of squabbles. before, during and after the war. >> well, all of us have thos